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Have recently separated from my partner and thought I would be able to get benefit and then child support payments on top of that but as it turns out, that isnt what happens. IRD keeps any child support and you only see any if they pay more than your benefit so I am screwed! I haven't sent off the child support forms yet - what happens if you don't do it, does IRD just take the money from the ex anyway? I have been told your benefit gets reduced but is this all they are able to do. How do people live without having the child support paid to them as it should be? and I have heard about private arrangements so long as you declare it to WINZ as income. Are you allowed to do this?
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Monday, 29 August 2011 2:09 a.m.
Monday, 26 September 2011 1:19 a.m.
If anyone finds they are having trouble getting the right info get in contact with a benefits rights advocate and not WINZ.
Monday, 26 September 2011 1:16 a.m.
Not quite sure where some ill-informed people get their info from. After checking WINZ's policies online and after speaking to a benefit rights advocate- You are not legally required to fill in a child support form and IRD can not just help themselves if they think anyone should be paying child support. It is a policy that WINZ & IRD have implemented in an attempt to recoup costs. Company policy is not law. If you are eligible for DBP they can not turn around and say you can't have it because you refuse to fill in a child support form, and even more so if you have been employed and paid your taxes for the past 10 years!! The only thing that happens is that $22 a week gets deducted from your benefit and after a further few months they deduct another $6 - in an attempt to get you to fill in the forms. You can have a private arrangement if you wish - just needs to be declared as income. Which quite frankly is the way it should be - child support should be going to help the mother not to line the government's pockets.
Monday, 29 August 2011 9:47 p.m.
The penalty charge is for if you refuse to name the father, which she couldn't do if he is on the birth cert, they want to be able to claim some money back from the father for supporting the child essentially, so I don't think they would be happy about a private arrangement and DPB. Possibly the person you are talking about doesn't have the father on the birth cert, refused to name them and now has a private arrangement without winz knowing?
Your other option is to have a private arrangement with your ex, but don't claim DPB, just accomodation supplement and WFF, this could work out quite nicely for both of you if he is a big earner, but not so much otherwise.
Monday, 29 August 2011 9:23 p.m.
Pretty sure you can get dpb and have a private arrangement with your ex to pay you direct, Im sure my friend is doing it that way, just dont fill out the child support forms, because you arent going to claim it and then your dpb is reduced by a small amount, heres a quote from another forum by someone who seems to know what they are talking about :)
"child support the father pays is based on a %'ge calculation against their income and other dependants. -you can opt for a private arrangement with the father take a $22 penalty charge from winz...and declare the child support received from him as income-just dont fill out the child support forms they give you if you want to do this. if they pay child support through ird you dont see it unless it is more p/week than you receive on the DPB - then you will get the DPB and the difference...its absorbed into the welfare system as reimbursement as such. you'd have to go to ird website to see if they have some general sort of calculator to how much child support he'd have to pay"
Monday, 29 August 2011 9:06 p.m.
Technically the child support does go to supporting the child as the government is paying you more than your ex is giving them to support your child.
Don't know about the forms though sorry.
Have you been to see winz yet? Because they will be able to answer all your questions when you go apply for the DPB, including whether to bother with those forms or not.
Monday, 29 August 2011 5:43 a.m.
Because why call it 'child support' if you don't actually get it to support the child with. And if he has to pay money to IRD that we are not going to get what makes you think he is going to just hand over extra to me for the hell of it!
And if his name is on the birth certficate, what is the point in wasting my time filling out the forms if IRD just takes it anyway??
Guess I just don't understand any of it. Paid my taxes for 10 years and now when I need help I get treated like a piece of dirt.
Monday, 29 August 2011 4:22 a.m.
If the fathers name is on the birth certificate you wont be able to hide him. You will need to give WINZ and IRD a copy of the childs Birth certificate and on things like this they share information. You will soon be caught out if you are hiding something from one and done for fraud.
How friendly is your split. Could you explain to him how it all works and maybe do up a budget showing him where all your money is going. If you are going to be left short for groceries do you think he would or could give you an extra $50-$100 so that you could get the kids decent food or even $20 a week to put aside for when new cloths are needed.
Monday, 29 August 2011 2:44 a.m.
I don't think it is legal to have private child support arrangement while getting DPB even if you do declare it to them, I could be wrong on this of couse, it would be worth it to ask your case manager.
If you don't declare the father to them they take I think it is $23 or so from your DPB. If you think you are going to be struggling either way I don't know why you would be wanting to do that, are you just trying to help him out so he doesn't have to pay when it won't affect you other than that $23 anyway, or am I missing something? Anywho if he is on the birth certificate it would be impossible not to tell them really, but if he is not then you can refuse.
Don't forget you will get accomodation supplement, and working for families on top of the base DPB payment, so you shouldn't really be struggling more than anyone else on a low income. Check with winz to see if you are entitled to anything else as well, you can take someone with you for support if you want.
You shouldn't have to send off any child support forms, IRD will take the money anyway, if you name the father to WINZ they will follow it up and start getting the money from him.
Obviously once you are off the DPB the child support will start coming from IRD directly to you :)
Hope all that made sense/helped.
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